As I said in the introduction to another post, with the exception of Francis, Reinhard Marx(ist) is undoubtedly the highest-ranking heretic in the Church. Please pray for both men to return to the Faith. I do.
From One Mad Mom
You gotta love the German hierarchy’s “To hell with you!” attitude. The sad thing is they mean just that, but at least they’re not obfuscating like the James Martin, SJ’s of the world.
Hamburg, Germany, Mar 31, 2022 / 08:10 am
The cardinal made the comments in a seven-page spread in the March 31 edition of the weekly current affairs magazine Stern, reported CNA Deutsch, CNA’s German-language news partner.
Well, yes and no. Like everything else, where doctrine is concerned, one cannot doubt. If he wants to say the Catechism isn’t an infallible document, he’d be right. This, however, doesn’t mean there was not doctrine contained in it.
Marx, the archbishop of Munich and Freising, is one of the most influential Catholic leaders in Europe, serving as a member of Pope Francis’ Council of Cardinal Advisers and president of the Vatican’s Council for the Economy.
Influential with whom? It certainly isn’t the faithful in the pews who have been leaving in droves. It certainly isn’t in the priesthood where for every one new priest they lose six. The only place he has influence is in the area of money, and that’s simply because they have a church tax in Germany. That means, if you are registered in a Catholic church, 8% of your income tax and goes to the church, which is 4 times more than, say, what most people “tithe” (since most don’t) in the U.S. At some point, even the church tax won’t save them, so they’re giving it the old college try by going full heretical and trying to cater to more people who think sodomy is grand. It’s ALL about the money. People going to hell is just fine by them as long as they get the money. So, yeah, he’s influential in that crowd.
He spoke about the Catechism in response to a question about “how homosexual, queer, or trans people are to be accommodated in Catholic teaching.
He said: “An inclusive ethic that we envision is not about being lax — as some claim. It is about something else: encounter at eye level, respect for the other. The value of love is shown in the relationship; in not making the other person an object, in not using or humiliating the other person, in being faithful and dependable to each other. The Catechism is not set in stone. One may also doubt what it says.”
Like a good heretic, he reduces love down to a physical act. He’s into Gnostic Dualism. Rather than re-explain that one, I’ll just refer you to this previous post. https://onemadmom.foedus.co/heresy-of-the-day-dualism/ Somebody (meaning the German bishops and more so the German faithful) might want to give 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 another read. Are we also to doubt what it says, Cardinal Marx? Love is not “Anything goes!” which is what you envision to keep the money flowing. Your “definition” (more like twisting) of the value of love is quite lacking. Even the USCCB did a better job of presenting Truth (AKA doctrine).
He went on: “We discussed these questions during the family synod, but there was reluctance to set something down. Even then I said: There are people living in an intimate love relationship that is expressed sexually. Are we really going to say that this is worthless? Sure, there are people who want to see sexuality limited to procreation, but what do they say to people who can’t have children?”
It’s more than worthless, it’s harmful. And really, Cardinal Marx? Whipping out the sophomoric “What about the sterile?” argument? Maybe read a bit of church teaching? Oooh! Better yet, have your flock do so. Oh, wait, I guess that would enlighten them, and you can’t have that.
Marx’s comments are part of a growing push within the German Church for changes to the Catechism’s teaching on homosexuality.
Earlier this month, Bishop Georg Bätzing, Marx’s successor as chairman of the German bishops’ conference, agreed with a journalist’s assertion that “no one” adhered to the Church’s teaching that sexuality should only be practiced within marriage.
“That’s true,” Bätzing said. “And we have to somewhat change the Catechism on this matter. Sexuality is a gift from God. And not a sin.”
Really? No one? Try those that don’t want to go to hell and want to have a good, flourishing marriage.
True, sexuality is a gift from God. Duh. Wrong use of it is where the sin comes in. When we try to use it improperly, we have to deal with the consequences. Again, the Germans’ arguments are childish. Things are meant for a purpose. Use them in the wrong way and it hurts people. I use steak knives all the time. If I were to use them in the wrong way and stab my neighbor because his dog is barking all the time, it’s now caused harm to all involved and, really, the rest of the neighborhood because, that’s how sin is. It doesn’t just affect those who engage in it. It affects society at large. Fr. Mike Schmitz makes some great arguments in this area in in book, “Made for Love”. https://www.amazon.com/Made-Love-Same-Sex-Attraction-Catholic/dp/1621642194/ref So, no, we don’t have to change the Catechism, because it offers the teachings that keep us safe.
He was speaking after participants in the German “Synodal Way” voted in favor of draft documents calling for same-sex blessings and the revision of Catholic teaching on homosexuality.
In February, another prominent European Church leader, Cardinal Jean-Claude Hollerich, S.J., was asked by the German Catholic news agency KNA how he dealt “with the Church teaching that homosexuality is a sin.”
He replied: “I believe that this is wrong. But I also believe that we are thinking ahead in doctrine here. The way the pope has expressed himself in the past, this can lead to a change in doctrine. Because I believe that the sociological-scientific foundation of this teaching is no longer correct.”
Sigh. Repeat after me. “Doctrine is Truth. Truth cannot change.” Sociological-scientific “foundation,” whatever that is, has ZERO to do with doctrine for the simple reason that men are fallible and doctrine is not. (Cue “Gallileo!” because you know some completely uneducated fool is going to drop that in 5,4,3…)
Hollerich, the archbishop of Luxembourg, will play a central role in the upcoming Synod on Synodality in Rome, serving as relator general. He is also president of the Commission of the Bishops’ Conferences of the European Union (COMECE).
And we wonder why many bishops and cardinals are concerned about the Synod on Synodality. Just as an aside, who comes up with these names???
The Catechism, which Pope John Paul II described as “a sure norm for teaching the faith,” says: “Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.’ They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.”
“The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity.”
It continues: “Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.””
BOOM! Look! Somebody actually quoted Church teaching. How refreshing?
Cardinal Marx celebrated a Mass marking “20 years of queer worship and pastoral care” in Munich earlier this month.
The road to hell is paved with… Honestly, Cardinal Marx knows better. What saddens me is those he is leading astray. We all want to think our sins are fine and dandy with God. Really, it would be so much more pleasant for me if they were. We try and justify them, we don’t investigate, we cling to the people who tell us we’re right, but at some point, etc., etc. It’s the same for most of us sinners, but, usually, the closer we get to the eternal life, the wise (at least by then) start weighing out big questions like, “What if I’m wrong and the Church is right?” Then we pick ourselves up, get to the confessional, and start all over again. Lather, rinse, repeat, because overcoming sin is hard thanks to satan and his minions. The problem is, our eternity can start when we least expect it, and since most of these yahoos probable don’t even believe in hell, they don’t remind people of that. Their advice is “you do you and all will be OK.” Or, they might even throw out a false teaching on conscience. I mean, I’m ready for them just to go all out and say “If you don’t follow your conscience and sin, you’re going against God!”
In his interview with Stern, Marx was asked about the Mass and whether homosexuality was “recently still considered a sin in the Church.”
He said: “Homosexuality is not a sin. It is a Christian attitude when two people, regardless of gender, stand up for each other in joy and sorrow.”
Again, it’s yes and no. Homosexuality is not a sin. Who, exactly, is saying that, I don’t know. What he describes is Agape. Again, the Church has no problem with that. But what he says next…
“I speak of the primacy of love, especially in sexual encounters. But I must admit that 10 or 15 years ago I myself could not have imagined that one day I would celebrate this service in this way. Now I was very much looking forward to it.”
And then he goes off the cliff and starts confusing the “primacy of love” with sexual encounters! Again, use the gift or the tool in the wrong manner and you’ve defiled it. The love is gone.
Cardinal Marx’s interviewer noted that there was a rainbow flag before the altar at the Mass. The cardinal was asked whether Rome had contacted him about it.
“In the past few years, I have received several letters on the subject, but I think I am doing the right thing,” he said.
Like I said, at least he’s not obfuscating.
“I’ve felt freer to say what I think in recent years, and I want to move Church teaching forward. The Church is also changing, moving with the times: LGBTQ+ people are part of creation and loved by God, and we are challenged to stand against discrimination.”
Pedophiles, rapists, murderers, embezzlers, drug dealers, liars, (name your sinner) etc., etc., etc., are also “part of creation and loved by God”. Do you not discriminate against their SIN? Are you giving them the thumbs up because you don’t want to discriminate against the person? That’s the logical conclusion of what you are not saying.
“The Church may be slower in some things, but that is a development that is happening everywhere. Most companies just a few years ago would not have accepted openly homosexual board members.”
OK, since you qualified with “openly”, I’m going to assume you mean acting on their sexual inclination. Take out homosexual and fill in from the list of sinners above. Should companies accept openly lying or embezzling board members?
When the interviewer said that no company defined homosexuality as a sin in its statutes, Marx said: “What is it with you and sin all the time? It has to be about the quality of relationships. This issue has not been adequately discussed by some in the Church, you are right.”
Well, that’s a hoot. Why would we ever talk about sin, Cardinal Marx? I mean, it’s not like Christ did. Oh, wait.
“But sin means turning away from God, from the Gospel, and you can’t impute that to all people who people who live same-sex love and, on top of that, say: away with them.”
Nobody is saying “Away with them!” We are saying just the opposite. We’re saying “Come struggle with the rest of us sinners!”
Marx was also asked if he had ever blessed a same-sex couple.
He replied: “A few years ago in Los Angeles, after a service where I preached on unity and diversity, two people came to meet me and asked for my blessing. I did it. This was not a wedding ceremony, after all. We cannot offer the sacrament of marriage.”
Were you blessing the union of an actively homosexual relationship or simply blessing two people on the street? For heaven’s sake, there is a bit of a difference. A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE.
The Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith reaffirmed in March 2021 that the Catholic Church does not have the power to bless unions of people of the same sex.
The Vatican statement, issued with the approval of Pope Francis, sparked protests in the German-speaking Catholic world.
Several bishops expressed support for blessings of same-sex couples, while churches displayed LGBT pride flags, and a group of more than 200 theology professors signed a statement criticizing the Vatican.
Priests and pastoral workers across Germany held a day of protest last May during which they conducted blessing ceremonies attended by same-sex couples.”
Of course, they did. They raised a bunch of good little liberals who are now leaving in droves because the rest of the world is not jumping on the German Synodal Way. When that happens, they throw little temper tantrums which freak out the German bishops who desperately want that Church tax.
Marx’s interviewer suggested at one point that the cardinal himself had “no sexuality.”
“Of course I am — like everyone else — a sexual person,” said the 68-year-old Church leader. “I also have a sexuality, even though I am not in a relationship.”
“…or at least not at this time.”
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